Claude Abrahams ''Roy Jones Is The Greatest Fighter Of All Time''

[Perfect Plex]

Legendary boxing news writer Claude said this, after Roy's win over Ruiz.

Saying he knows all about the other greats, but he belives Roy is the greatest fighter to ever walk the earth and was unbeatable in his prime, and still says it to this day.

Thoughts???

[sonnyboyx2]

Legendary boxing news writer Claude said this, after Roy's win over Ruiz.

Saying he knows all about the other greats, but he belives Roy is the greatest fighter to ever walk the earth and was unbeatable in his prime, and still says it to this day.

Thoughts???

i followed Roy's career from the start and he was an unbelievable fighter during his prime years, i often thought that he was most likely the greatest fighter of all times yet looking back now and taking into account the drugs testing fiasco from the Richard Hall fight in 2000 it casts a huge doubt over Roy's entire career, his skills and speed of hand was unbelievable yet how much did the use of drugs have to do with that.. The drugs would help Roy train harder and recover faster, so was he the best fighter of all time... NO he was a cheat because if other great fighters from the past like Robinson, Greb, Cerdan, Steele, Ketchel & Monzon was able to use PEDs then we simply cannot comprehend how great they would have been... yet IMO Roy is far from the only boxer from the last 20yrs or more who has used PEDs i think the list is endless and almost every fighter at the top level is using them.

[Holtol]

During his prime years I would have liked to have seen him in with some better fighters. But he was still amazing to watch.

[Sugarj]

i followed Roy's career from the start and he was an unbelievable fighter during his prime years, i often thought that he was most likely the greatest fighter of all times yet looking back now and taking into account the drugs testing fiasco from the Richard Hall fight in 2000 it casts a huge doubt over Roy's entire career, his skills and speed of hand was unbelievable yet how much did the use of drugs have to do with that.. The drugs would help Roy train harder and recover faster, so was he the best fighter of all time... NO he was a cheat because if other great fighters from the past like Robinson, Greb, Cerdan, Steele, Ketchel & Monzon was able to use PEDs then we simply cannot comprehend how great they would have been... yet IMO Roy is far from the only boxer from the last 20yrs or more who has used PEDs i think the list is endless and almost every fighter at the top level is using them.

I'm dead against the use of PEDs as you know and I dont doubt that it is more rife than we even think.

I just dug this out from Wilko about Jones and the Hall affair (both tested for the substance which was admittedly an over the counter product), I dont honestly think Roy would have thought taking this was illegal.....due to the ease of purchase.


'A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the DEA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold at GNC and other nutritional supplement outlets. Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF. The Commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall stated that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. Both of those tests came back negative.[5] Jones has not tested positive for illegal substances on any other occasion.'


The fact that Jones looked just as fast against Harding and Harmon in his next two fights despite the requirement of pre fight testing (before both fights) reassures me that he was very much the real deal and that this was an oversight.

At least he didn't have any advantage over Hall who was just as guilty!!

[CarlosG815]

I'm dead against the use of PEDs as you know and I dont doubt that it is more rife than we even think.

I just dug this out from Wilko about Jones and the Hall affair (both tested for the substance which was admittedly an over the counter product), I dont honestly think Roy would have thought taking this was illegal.....due to the ease of purchase.


'A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the DEA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold at GNC and other nutritional supplement outlets. Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF. The Commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall stated that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. Both of those tests came back negative.[5] Jones has not tested positive for illegal substances on any other occasion.'


The fact that Jones looked just as fast against Harding and Harmon in his next two fights despite the requirement of pre fight testing (before both fights) reassures me that he was very much the real deal and that this was an oversight.

At least he didn't have any advantage over Hall who was just as guilty!!

I agree. No cloud over his career for me and I believe he is the real deal greatness.

[Barn]

Most impressive then probably, G.O.A.T no way.

[Toney616]

I'm dead against the use of PEDs as you know and I dont doubt that it is more rife than we even think.

I just dug this out from Wilko about Jones and the Hall affair (both tested for the substance which was admittedly an over the counter product), I dont honestly think Roy would have thought taking this was illegal.....due to the ease of purchase.


'A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF.

That isn't true

He tested positive for an anabolic steroid, andro isnt an anabolic steroid
Jacob Hall, the head of Indiana's athletic commission

JHALL: Yes, and in his interview with Aladdin Freeman he didn't mention that he also tested positive and he was probably ten times over what would be a normal amount and Roy Jones was six times over a normal amount. Richard received a letter dated August 2nd, from the IBF indicating to him that he failed the test. He forgot to mention that in the interview.

BRC: Let's move on to both fighters positive tests for anabolic steroids. As you well know there have been several versions of events; the Ripped Fuel version, the sinus medicine, etc. Can you clear it up for the fans? How specific are these tests and can you rule out... let's say the sinus medication, for instance?

JHALL: Not from the information we received. The information we received indicated that Mr. Jones failed the drug test for anabolic steroids. Talking to Roy's attorney, Fred Levin, he indicated that Roy had taken a substance called Ripped Fuel, an over the counter supplement that is not illegal but is an illegal substance according to the IBF and the other sanctioning bodies. He admits that Roy took that. I have no knowledge that he took that or some other substance...


BRC: Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly... You do know that there were anabolic steroids in Roy's system? **(Editor's Note: we are not ignoring the fact that Richard Hall also tested positive, we will come to that in a minute...)

JHALL: Yes.


BRC: You do know that Ripped Fuel could possibly have been the cause of the positive test result?

JHALL: Roy's attorney, Fred Levin said that Roy was taking that. I do not know that (Ripped Fuel) is what he was taking.


BRC: We can't rule the Ripped Fuel out but we can't say that it was the only thing that could have caused Roy to test positive, is that correct?

JHALL: Correct.

JHALL: Like I said in one of the interviews, the majority of the states do not do drug testing, so, since they don't do drug testing, there wasn't a lot of support to do much about it, and I don't believe there is a great concern about steroids by Commissioners at the present time, BUT it is an illegal substance.


BRC: There wasn't a lot of support you say??? My question then is... Was anyone shocked to hear your revelation? Did anyone say, we have to go public with this, we have to do something about it, we need to reveal what happened... I mean, was there any of that???

JHALL: Not really, no.


BRC: No? So basically you got "oh ok, let's move on type attitude?"

JHALL: Nobody seemed to be concerned about it and I didn't believe it was my position to have a press conference and reveal that Roy and Richard Hall had tested positive for steroids. It just kinda... nobody said much about it during this period of time.

Why is Ripped Fuel illegal?

BRC: What do you know about Ripped Fuel and is this something commonly used by boxers?

DR. GOODMAN: I think that Ripped Fuel used to be used a lot... Ripped Fuel is illegal in our state; it's illegal because it has Ephedra in it... Anyone that take Ephedra, it doesn't have to be a boxer, you or I, would be placing themselves at risk of a heart attack or a stroke. When you combine that with someone having to undergo the extreme regiment that a boxer has to undergo, and top that with being in the ring even for four rounds, putting all that stress on the body, you are really setting yourself up for a serious problem.

BRC: Care to talk about over the counter supplements and steroids?

DR. GOODMAN: It is true to some degree that there are some kinds of substances than can be in some over the counter preparations that will break down and show up as a steroid but that's pretty far and few between and there are tests that an accepted laboratory can do to distinguish between what is actually true anabolic steroids versus something that was put in an over the counter supplement. It is important for boxers to take control of their own lives and look at what someone is giving them to take, just like Fernando (Vargas) realized.

In other words the only way it could be proved that he took andro was if Jacob Hall paid for another urinalysis, which is obviously didnt

[Toney616]

i followed Roy's career from the start and he was an unbelievable fighter during his prime years, i often thought that he was most likely the greatest fighter of all times yet looking back now and taking into account the drugs testing fiasco from the Richard Hall fight in 2000 it casts a huge doubt over Roy's entire career, his skills and speed of hand was unbelievable yet how much did the use of drugs have to do with that.. The drugs would help Roy train harder and recover faster, so was he the best fighter of all time... NO he was a cheat because if other great fighters from the past like Robinson, Greb, Cerdan, Steele, Ketchel & Monzon was able to use PEDs then we simply cannot comprehend how great they would have been... yet IMO Roy is far from the only boxer from the last 20yrs or more who has used PEDs i think the list is endless and almost every fighter at the top level is using them.

I suspected Jones was using from the Reggie Johnson fight, that was around the time he started to get a lot bigger

[Forza]

Fun to watch but he fought too many bums in his prime

[Toney616]

Fun to watch but he fought too many bums in his prime

Its the same problem I have with him as well