Carlos Monzon/Edwin Valero

[{Pito}]

What is the difference between Carlos monzon and Edwin valero? Why do people **** on Valero and downplay him (he's not an ATG, not claiming he is more than what he accomplished till then but c'mon that guy was good and only getting better) when he murdered his wife. What excuses Carlos Monzon from the hate directed towards Edwin yet monzon gets praise for simply being a great fighter. Was it Monzon's accomplishments that earned him his respect as a fighter regardless of what happened out of the ring? Why wasn't Valero respected equally as a fighter not judged on his actions outside of it. I ask this simply because people who wished Edwins soul the worst in hell yet these same people in other threads praise Monzon as a great fighter. Did they just ignore the fact he's in the same position as Valero? Is it merely his accomplishments which excuse him? If that's the case, (becoming far more typical on these forums) there are just too many **** riders and not enough fans of the sport who respect fighters for what they do which is fight. I could honestly care less about a fighters life outside of the ring. I care only about what he does inside of it. Guys need to man up on these forums and stop acting b!tchmade. Respects to any positive or negative feedback.

[Scott9945]

What is the difference between Carlos monzon and Edwin valero? Why do people **** on Valero and downplay him (he's not an ATG, not claiming he is more than what he accomplished till then but c'mon that guy was good and only getting better) when he murdered his wife. What excuses Carlos Monzon from the hate directed towards Edwin yet monzon gets praise for simply being a great fighter. Was it Monzon's accomplishments that earned him his respect as a fighter regardless of what happened out of the ring? Why wasn't Valero respected equally as a fighter not judged on his actions outside of it. I ask this simply because people who wished Edwins soul the worst in hell yet these same people in other threads praise Monzon as a great fighter. Did they just ignore the fact he's in the same position as Valero? Is it merely his accomplishments which excuse him? If that's the case, (becoming far more typical on these forums) there are just too many **** riders and not enough fans of the sport who respect fighters for what they do which is fight. I could honestly care less about a fighters life outside of the ring. I care only about what he does inside of it. Guys need to man up on these forums and stop acting b!tchmade. Respects to any positive or negative feedback.

1) I liked Valero as a fighter. but his accomplishments don't even begin to compare with Monzon's.

2) Monzon committed his crime many years ago, and he's dead anyway. What Valero did is still very fresh in peoples minds. Plus Monzon's crime didn't effect his career, while Valero's ended his.

[NChristo]

You cannot even begin to compare Valero's achievements to Monzon's at all, Monzon is so many leagues above Valero, he has earned his right to be praised as a great boxer plus like Scott said Valero is fresh in peoples minds if Monzon was in the situation Valero is in now but still had his achievements he would get no sympathy of anyone.

Don't really get what you're trying to get at

I ask this simply because people who wished Edwins soul the worst in hell yet these same people in other threads praise Monzon as a great fighter.

Exactly, they are praising Monzon as a "fighter", not for what he did outside of the ring, nobody praises Monzon for killing his wife.

What happens outside of the ring should not effect what they achieved inside of it.

there are just too many **** riders and not enough fans of the sport who respect fighters for what they do which is fight. I could honestly care less about a fighters life outside of the ring.

How are people "**** riding" ?.

[JAB5239]

You cannot even begin to compare Valero's achievements to Monzon's at all, Monzon is so many leagues above Valero, he has earned his right to be praised as a great boxer plus like Scott said Valero is fresh in peoples minds if Monzon was in the situation Valero is in now but still had his achievements he would get no sympathy of anyone.

Don't really get what you're trying to get at



Exactly, they are praising Monzon as a "fighter", not for what he did outside of the ring, nobody praises Monzon for killing his wife.

What happens outside of the ring should not effect what they achieved inside of it.



How are people "**** riding" ?.

Nothing I can say in this thread that hasn't been covered. Monzon had a full career beating the best available. Valero never even fought (got a chance) to fight the best. Not comparable.

[{Pito}]

Of course valero resume cannot compare to monzon, it's just monzon gets a lot of slack simply due to his accomplishments. Sure valeros situation is fresh but I still respect the man as a fighter I could care less about what happened is what I'm getting at. At the end of the day my point is, why do people care so much about dwhat a fighter does outside of the ring? They both murdered their wives and one guy gets a pass simply due to his accomplishments (not saying he shouldn't or hasn't deserved his spot), that's hilarious. Again, if you guys read carefully im not saying one guy is better than the other or whatever (which u guys seemed to have thought I said) I'm saying they both commited the same act yet one man gets a pass simply due to accomplishments, that's the BS I'm getting at. Not attacking any individual fighter rather taking notice of the situation.

[BennyST]

What is the difference between Carlos monzon and Edwin valero? Why do people **** on Valero and downplay him (he's not an ATG, not claiming he is more than what he accomplished till then but c'mon that guy was good and only getting better) when he murdered his wife. What excuses Carlos Monzon from the hate directed towards Edwin yet monzon gets praise for simply being a great fighter. Was it Monzon's accomplishments that earned him his respect as a fighter regardless of what happened out of the ring? Why wasn't Valero respected equally as a fighter not judged on his actions outside of it. I ask this simply because people who wished Edwins soul the worst in hell yet these same people in other threads praise Monzon as a great fighter. Did they just ignore the fact he's in the same position as Valero? Is it merely his accomplishments which excuse him? If that's the case, (becoming far more typical on these forums) there are just too many **** riders and not enough fans of the sport who respect fighters for what they do which is fight. I could honestly care less about a fighters life outside of the ring. I care only about what he does inside of it. Guys need to man up on these forums and stop acting b!tchmade. Respects to any positive or negative feedback.

What the hell does that mean? Why do you Fat Yanks say that? Don't you know you're saying the opposite of what you mean? Christ that drives me up the wall!

Think about it. You could care less? I think you mean you couldn't care less.

Anyway, I have no idea what you're even talking about. No one, and I mean no one, praises Monzon as a good human. They talk about him as a great fighter, not a great humanitarian. What him and Valero did outside the ring is de****able and pathetic but what they did inside is great. Monzon however is literally one of the greatest fighters of all time, whereas Valero (and I was one of his biggest exponents here) ended up doing nothing but showing us what might have been.

Valero was a classic case of 'what if?'. Monzon left nothing to the imagination as he achieved just about everything one could hope to possibly achieve as a fighter.

You're missing the point though. If Valero had achieved more, then his great accomplishments would override what he did outside for boxing fans. Since he ended up not doing much and leaving an entire career unfulfilled, people are of course going to talk about what stopped him from achieving it.

Also, if Monzon was fighting today and did the same thing we would see it all over the news, everyone would be talking about it etc etc. He fought decades ago and so the only thing left to talk about is his achievements. What Valero did only just happened. In ten years time, people will think of him as a nutter that could have been great. We all think of a Monzon as a nutter that was great. That's the difference.

Monzon does not get a pass. What he did is just ****ed. But, it happened a long time ago and it's done and gone and he's gone too. Why keep bringing it up when we just want to look at what he did as a fighter?

[Spartacus Sully]

What the hell does that mean? Why do you Fat Yanks say that? Don't you know you're saying the opposite of what you mean? Christ that drives me up the wall!

Think about it. You could care less? I think you mean you couldn't care less.

I could care less.....meaning of all the things i care about in the world i could care less about.......

if anything that you couldnt care less infers one dosnt care at all and if one dosnt care at all then why is one talking about it?

[BennyST]

I could care less.....meaning of all the things i care about in the world i could care less about.......

if anything that you couldnt care less infers one dosnt care at all and if one dosnt care at all then why is one talking about it?

Sorry, don't understand what you mean.

In the context it is always used in, the meaning is very clear. It's not about caring more. It's used when you are wanting to get across the point that something is so inane that you couldn't care less about it.

Go read where it is used and the context of it. You'll get it.

Like in this context, the guy is saying he couldn't care less about what happens outside the ring. What happens inside is what counts. Think about it.

[Spartacus Sully]

Sorry, don't understand what you mean.

In the context it is always used in, the meaning is very clear. It's not about caring more. It's used when you are wanting to get across the point that something is inane that you couldn't care less about it.

Go read where it is used and the context of it. You'll get it.

its sarcasm.

the i could care less is essentially.....i could care less....if there was something else in the world i cared less about.

i know what i couldnt care less means im just pointing out that if one dosnt care at all why do they even make the effort o tell some one they dont care at all?

[joseph5620]

1) I liked Valero as a fighter. but his accomplishments don't even begin to compare with Monzon's.

2) Monzon committed his crime many years ago, and he's dead anyway. What Valero did is still very fresh in peoples minds. Plus Monzon's crime didn't effect his career, while Valero's ended his.

Exactly.............