The English Conspiracy

[Dr Z]

Have you got the ringside round by round summary of the fight?
YES OR NO?
That is what I am quoting!

Rd1.Mr Jackson, got within distance ,and quick as lightning floored his opponent with a terrific lefthander . = Jacksons round.

Rd 2.Jackson's attack forced Mendoza to go to the floor to protect himself in rd 2.=Jacksons round.

,Rd3".Very little time was lost in this round .They got close together and some heavy hits were exchanged in Jackson's favour and in the end Mendoza was down again."=Jackson's round.
"So confident were Mendoza;s friends that even now they laid 2/1 on him."

Rd4."This was a magnificent round: both went to scratch with determination,hit after hit was delivered,and returned with great severity,and the punishment was all in favour of Jackson,who finally confident of his own powers,stepped in with coolness,and peppered away at close quarters with such effect as to cut Mendoza's right eyebrow,severely and produce a plentiful supply of the ruby,and to send poor Dan to grass."=Jacksons round.
FOUR ROUNDS CONTESTED ALL WON BY JACKSON

NOW THE CONTENTIOUS FIFTH ROUND!

Rd5. "Mendoza showed unmistakeable tokens of Jackson's handiwork,while Jackson had scarcely a scratch.
The latter again went in and ,catching Dan by the thatch of his nut,punched him all over the dial,until Dan fell exhausted.The Israelites were all up in arms at what they thought was an infringement of the rules,and an immediate appeal was made to the umpires,who at once decided that it was perfectly with the rules of fair play,the odds having veered round to 2/1 onJackson."=Jacksons round

Rds 6to 8.
"Mendoza came up much exhausted in these rounds,and endeavoured to recover his wind by remaining on the defensive,but Jackson treated this system with the same sang froid,he had exhibited,when Mendoza had stood up to him.
He went in and easily broke through Dan's guard ,and again,and again ,dealt out severe punishment,almost without a return,and Mendoza was compelled to get down,out of harm's way".Jackson's round.

Rd 9 " Mendoza was dreadfully weak,.while Jackson seemed only just warm to his work;he went in and hit away at his man with the greatest ease.
Mendoza made one more effort,but ,being nobbed with severity,he fell perfectly,and was compelled to give in."

Jackson was little the worse for wear and jumped from the stage with great activity.Poor Dan however was severely beaten"

That is the verbatim account of the fight between two brave Englishmen as witnessed by Pierce Egan,the foremost boxing scholar of the era!

Now do stop making a further fool of yourself with your ridiculous assertions,you do yourself no favours at all!

YES i DO.


This was a bare-knuckle prizefight for the English Prizefighting Championship, with John Jackson defeating Daniel Mendoza in nine rounds. The fight was notable for Jackson’s controversial use of hair-pulling, which was legal under the rules at the time, and Mendoza’s reputation as a scientific boxer. Below is the round-by-round account based on historical records:

• Round 1: Both fighters begin cautiously, feinting and sparring to gauge each other’s style. Mendoza, known for his scientific approach and counterpunching, avoids committing fully, waiting for Jackson to initiate. Jackson, trained in London’s pugilistic schools, is aggressive but doesn’t land significant blows. The round is even, with minimal damage.
• Round 2: Mendoza finds his rhythm, using his speed and defensive skills to block Jackson’s punches. He lands several effective counterpunches, showcasing his technical superiority. Jackson struggles to penetrate Mendoza’s guard, giving Mendoza a slight edge in this round.
• Round 3: The pace intensifies as both fighters exchange punches. Mendoza lands well, but Jackson’s power becomes evident. Mendoza goes down once, likely from a well-placed blow, but recovers quickly. The round is competitive, with both showing skill and resilience.
• Round 4: Jackson grows more confident, pressing the attack. He ignores Mendoza’s stinging counterpunches and lands a vicious blow to Mendoza’s right eye, causing significant swelling and dropping him again. Mendoza, bleeding heavily, retreats to his corner, clearly affected. Jackson takes control.
• Round 5: A pivotal and controversial round. Jackson seizes Mendoza’s long hair with one hand, holding him in place while pummeling his head with uppercuts using his free hand. Mendoza collapses from pain and exhaustion. Mendoza’s corner appeals to the referees, citing the hair-pulling, but it’s ruled legal under Broughton’s rules. The fight continues, with Mendoza visibly weakened.
• Rounds 6–8: Mendoza, now hurt and exhausted, is forced onto the defensive. Jackson maintains pressure, capitalizing on Mendoza’s diminished state. Mendoza struggles to mount an effective offense, and Jackson’s harder hitting dominates these rounds. Mendoza’s durability keeps him in the fight, but he’s clearly fading.
• Round 9: Jackson overwhelms Mendoza, who can no longer withstand the barrage. Jackson beats Mendoza into submission, and the fight is stopped, with Jackson declared the winner. Mendoza’s attempt to reclaim the championship fails, and Jackson’s victory solidifies his reputation.

Now I found a round that Mendoza won, which you asked for. It is over. Now you can reply all you want to the name calling. School is in session.

You might resort to hair pulling

[Dr Z]

You should stop until you can formulate a sentence that makes any kind of sense and is spelt correctly.
My Father did not storm the beach at Normandy he was in the 8th Army, "The Desert ****"and saw action at El Alamein x2, Mersa Matruh,Tobruk, and Monte Casino etc, he earned campaign medals such as the India Star,the Italian Star, the African Star,Egyptian Star and was also in Tunisia,Libya ,and Sicily, and several others,no big deal , he was one of many ,many and he was in the war for 6 years ,not the 4 years some of our allies were.

Best to leave posters relatives out of debates.

YOU fool, I was making a joke. You missed it. Here you go old man.



By the way my uncle was a general under Patton.

[Bronson66]

YES i DO.


This was a bare-knuckle prizefight for the English Prizefighting Championship, with John Jackson defeating Daniel Mendoza in nine rounds. The fight was notable for Jackson’s controversial use of hair-pulling, which was legal under the rules at the time, and Mendoza’s reputation as a scientific boxer. Below is the round-by-round account based on historical records:

• Round 1: Both fighters begin cautiously, feinting and sparring to gauge each other’s style. Mendoza, known for his scientific approach and counterpunching, avoids committing fully, waiting for Jackson to initiate. Jackson, trained in London’s pugilistic schools, is aggressive but doesn’t land significant blows. The round is even, with minimal damage.
• Round 2: Mendoza finds his rhythm, using his speed and defensive skills to block Jackson’s punches. He lands several effective counterpunches, showcasing his technical superiority. Jackson struggles to penetrate Mendoza’s guard, giving Mendoza a slight edge in this round.
• Round 3: The pace intensifies as both fighters exchange punches. Mendoza lands well, but Jackson’s power becomes evident. Mendoza goes down once, likely from a well-placed blow, but recovers quickly. The round is competitive, with both showing skill and resilience.
• Round 4: Jackson grows more confident, pressing the attack. He ignores Mendoza’s stinging counterpunches and lands a vicious blow to Mendoza’s right eye, causing significant swelling and dropping him again. Mendoza, bleeding heavily, retreats to his corner, clearly affected. Jackson takes control.
• Round 5: A pivotal and controversial round. Jackson seizes Mendoza’s long hair with one hand, holding him in place while pummeling his head with uppercuts using his free hand. Mendoza collapses from pain and exhaustion. Mendoza’s corner appeals to the referees, citing the hair-pulling, but it’s ruled legal under Broughton’s rules. The fight continues, with Mendoza visibly weakened.
• Rounds 6–8: Mendoza, now hurt and exhausted, is forced onto the defensive. Jackson maintains pressure, capitalizing on Mendoza’s diminished state. Mendoza struggles to mount an effective offense, and Jackson’s harder hitting dominates these rounds. Mendoza’s durability keeps him in the fight, but he’s clearly fading.
• Round 9: Jackson overwhelms Mendoza, who can no longer withstand the barrage. Jackson beats Mendoza into submission, and the fight is stopped, with Jackson declared the winner. Mendoza’s attempt to reclaim the championship fails, and Jackson’s victory solidifies his reputation.

Now I found a round that Mendoza won, which you asked for. It is over. Now you can reply all you want to the name calling. School is in session.

You might resort to hair pulling

Mendoza was knocked down in the 1s round by." a terrific left hander" explain how that can possibly be scored as a level round?

Mendoza went to the floor it the 2nd rd to avoid punishment,so how could he have won it?

Mendoza was floored in the 3rd round so,again how was the round competitive.?

Jackson severely cuts Mendoza's eye and Mendoza is floored again 4thrd

Jackson beats the **** out of Mendoza in rd 5.ect
Did you actually read the ringside report I posted 3 times?

I ASKED FOR A PRIMARY SOURCE ,NOT SOME COBBLED TOGETHER PIECE OF CRAP!

[Bronson66]

YOU fool, I was making a joke. You missed it. Here you go old man.



By the way my uncle was a general under Patton.

You have neither the wit or the intelligence to make a joke,please don't try and cosy up to me, I despise you.

[Bronson66]

NONE of the above has to do with Mendoza being in the lead after round 3. I posted that. You asked what round did Mendoza win and I said round 3 when he started to land counters and the betting shifted in his favor. You are a selective fool who only reads what he likes.

I know that Jacskon won and the fight shifted way in his favor after he grabbed Mendoza' hair and hit him with the other hand repeatedly. It was within the rules back then and underhanded. Not done by any other fighter. If you have proof of another fighter doing this, list it.

The rest of your flotsam and jetsam has to do with replies on other posters making fun of you. You react like a kid being bullied in grammar school. It bothers you still at 70+ years old. It is rather funny, and I bet it did happen to you.

Mendoza was never in the lead at anytime in the fight.
Knocked down in the 1st
Went to the floor in the 2nd
Knocked down in the 3rd
Knocked down in the 4th
The betting never shifted in Mendoza's favour ,his own supporters were prepared to take 2/1you misunderstood.

Even in Dr Zero's world that's 4 rounds Jackson was up , and we know Mendoza never won a round after that!

My reply was to accusations of Anti Americanism,Racism ,and Anti Semitism,my response showed I am guilty of none of these things.

I don't need to provide another fighter who held his opponent by his hair and punched,him,all I needed to do was provide proof that doing so was not illegal under the rules of the time and I have done that!

Now I don't want to spend anymore time replying to a Moron who cannot even spell the name of the book I am quoting from,let alone have read it .So Bye.
Have A **** Day!

[Marchegiano]

Fact. Jackson was never in danger of losing to Mendoza .

Fact.At no time was Mendoza in control of the fight.

Fact. Mendoza was down in the third round, so how did he win it?

Fact. Mendoza was floored several times and went down voluntarily,many other times to avoid being knocked down.

Fact. Jackson in holding Mendoza by the hair,and punching the bejesus out of Mendoza's face,committed no foul under the LPR laws as they were at that time.This was confirmed by the umpires, when Mendoza's corner raised an objection to the tactic,they were informed it was perfectly permissible under the LPR laws as they then were.

Fact. Mendoza was punched into helplessness and was beaten into the ground in the ninth round,his face a bloody mess,whilst Jackson was virtually unmarked,and fresh enough to jump off the platform the fight was held on.

Fact. It took Jackson just ten and a half minutes to render Mendoza helpless.

Fact Mendoza did not seek a rematch for fourteen years!

Fact Figg retired in1730.

Fact Broughton retired in1750.

Fact The Jackson v Mendoza fight was in1795,.so there was no connection between those named shaving their heads,and Jackson seizing Mendoza's hair.

Fact I do not give a toss what anyone's nationality is,nor have I the slightest interest in defending British fighters just because they are British,both Jackson and Mendoza were British so that was never a factor to begin with .

Fact. The untrue and objectionable accusation of racism which has been leveled against me is totally unjustified,I am not and never have been anti- semitic, and the fact my first wife of 25 years was ***ish blows that BS out of the water.

No I don't own BOXININA LOL!


But I do have the round by round report of the Jackson v Mendoza fight as published in BOXIANA !
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM HAVE IT?
How about the emotionally, out of control poster who states I did not refer to a source for my information?
If he has a more verified information than Pierce Egan's ringside summary of the fight, which was my source,and from which I quoted verbatim, let him post it,and I will publicly defer to it

I'm betting that he won't.
I'm betting that instead of posting one single scrap of superior, provenance assured,information,to that I have posted,
what he will do is post more deranged personal abuse of me,and anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity of his unbalanced tirades,calling them disloyal KUNTS at every opportunity.

Here is a sample of what we have to look forward to.

It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.


Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?

I think ,"mental health issues," covers the above pretty well.
All I have done is say the OP's thread is a misrepresentation of the fight and I posted the round by round summary to support my opinion.
In return I've had a ******* of personal abuse,choice epiphets such as KUNT .KUNTZILLA. DUMBASS. SLUT. F888ING RACIST . etc This absurdly over the top reaction just indicates that the OP is not dealing with a full deck. What I haven't had is a shred of evidence that what I posted is incorrect.


The challenge is now out there!

Post a more reliable source of the round by rounds of the Jackson v Mendoza fight that that I have posted,one that contradicts Egan's account, or shut up with this eternal bleating,hand wringing,pathetic, " poor me,what have I done to deserve this,disloyalty and lack of respect ,after all I have done for this forum BS"

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Says who? You? You've already admitted you are ignorant to the era and driven by agenda.


You bouncing around sources writing your propaganda means **** all nothing and you know it.







Here's some facts.

Egan doesn't even become a journalist until 1812

Bronson should know all about Egan's work already given Nat Fleischer plagiarized it. Something a man who has actually dealt with the material would pick up, something Bronson argued against for months. Outside of Egan you might find some Miles or fantasy sprinkled in where time corresponds.





Here's a tidbit from a source just a smidge closer to the action in time:

Oracle Daily Advertiser: " A month after our battle I waited on Jackson, upbraided him with his unmanly conduct, by laying hold of my hair, and offered him a fight" - Daniel Mendoza



And here's one of those IBRO authors you love so much:

Bare Knuckle 1722-1888 "It is difficult to comprehend what a John Jackson contributed to boxing that earned him a place in the IBHOF other than grabbing someone's hair there is little else that marks his boxing legacy" Christopher James Shelton.




Some **** you'd know if you were a boxing history fan and not a racist with a racist agenda who fell into a community that accepts your racist nationalist bull****.


Ignorant, admitted to it

Agenda driven, admitted to it.


Not clever enough to step to me, well ****in proven.

[Marchegiano]

Thread is titled English Conspiracy


covers from 1720s until 1880s but really after Spring, 1830s, I got lazy and forgetful. Left some bits out.


John Jackson has very little to do with the 100 years covered. He's a touched the title and left character. This heavy focus on him is really gross and silly from a gross silly old man.


Tom Spring beat the Irish Champion by way of mob. More than 100 men injured.


That is a FAR more controversial statement than "John Jackson beat Mendoza in a farce and I have never seen it said otherwise" or whatever TF I said. The Jackson stuff is SOOOO well known you're not going to find any historian speaking to it without mentioning the dubious nature of his fight. Tom Spring using a 100+ man battle to be champion is NOT something often mentioned about Tom Spring.


Jesus ****ing Christ bro.

Let me say that **** twice: Nothing I wrote about JJ is new or a new take on him. I did write something new and scathing about Spring. Not often spoken to.




Here's something interesting about Mendoza and the English conspiracy I did forget. Mendoza was never called champion during his time. He was called the former champion after John "defeated" him. Delaney did not get this post dated title. He was never called champion by anyone but me. He was simply "the best".


Likewise, The venetian who I hardly took time to quote properly, the entire story, his very existence is very much disputable and might just be a Figg story Figg put in the press to get asses to his venue.


Point being, I was lazy in spots, forgetful in spots, there are flaws, John Jackson being nefarious in nature is not one of them. Picking up on that, when you have a tressure trove to pick at here, just shows how ignorant this kunt bubble is.

Plenty about the era I'd love to speak about if some jackass didn't invade every single subject on this forum with hate mongering. "I don't know **** but let me tell you something anyway doe" bronson

[Bronson66]

Thread is titled English Conspiracy


covers from 1720s until 1880s but really after Spring, 1830s, I got lazy and forgetful. Left some bits out.


John Jackson has very little to do with the 100 years covered. He's a touched the title and left character. This heavy focus on him is really gross and silly from a gross silly old man.


Tom Spring beat the Irish Champion by way of mob. More than 100 men injured.


That is a FAR more controversial statement than "John Jackson beat Mendoza in a farce and I have never seen it said otherwise" or whatever TF I said. The Jackson stuff is SOOOO well known you're not going to find any historian speaking to it without mentioning the dubious nature of his fight. Tom Spring using a 100+ man battle to be champion is NOT something often mentioned about Tom Spring.


Jesus ****ing Christ bro.

Let me say that **** twice: Nothing I wrote about JJ is new or a new take on him. I did write something new and scathing about Spring. Not often spoken to.




Here's something interesting about Mendoza and the English conspiracy I did forget. Mendoza was never called champion during his time. He was called the former champion after John "defeated" him. Delaney did not get this post dated title. He was never called champion by anyone but me. He was simply "the best".


Likewise, The venetian who I hardly took time to quote properly, the entire story, his very existence is very much disputable and might just be a Figg story Figg put in the press to get asses to his venue.


Point being, I was lazy in spots, forgetful in spots, there are flaws, John Jackson being nefarious in nature is not one of them. Picking up on that, when you have a tressure trove to pick at here, just shows how ignorant this kunt bubble is.

Plenty about the era I'd love to speak about if some jackass didn't invade every single subject on this forum with hate mongering. "I don't know **** but let me tell you something anyway doe" bronson

Jackson beat the piss out of Mendoza,and nothing Jackson did during the fight was illegal.The round by round report by Egan confirms this .End of.

Egan was present at the fight and was 27years old, when he began formally writing is irrelevant.
The info I have on Spring,whom I never mentioned ,is the round by round report of his 2 fights with Painter.
Round by round reports of
The fights with Carter,Oliver,Neat,Langan1&2.

These are primarily taken from Bell's Life.with some contributions from Egan.

If you are too lazy,to formulate a coherent argument ,and your memory failed you , that's on you,best in those circumstances not to accuse others of ignorance of a subject when they have produced definitive evidence that they are not !

Your problem is you are full of piss and wind, without substance and sailing along on a gigantic ego,still labouring under the narcissistic delusion you are the "only game in town"! The Donald trump of Boxing Scene! lol

Now you blamed me for disagreeing with you. and blamed all and sundry for not agreeing with ,and supporting you.

You used every personal insult your limited vocabulary could muster,and are still employing them now.


You have been comprehensively exposed on your own thread.

Emperor's New Clothes!

It's been most gratifying, puncturing your conceited,preening ,vanity ,I look forward to further occasions!

[Willow The Wisp]

How you suffered for your sanity
How you tried to set them free.
Perhaps they'll listen now.


For they could not love you
But still your love was true


And when no hope was left in sight on that starry
Starry night.
You took your life
As lovers often do;
But I could have told you
Vincent
This world was never
Meant for one
As beautiful as you.

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[Bronson66]

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I'm not interested in board supremacy,but I am interested in the truth, I can spot BS when I see it, and no amount of obscenities aimed at me will ever change that!


I like Munch.