Ali more impressive against Chuvalo 1st or 2d time?

[Dynamite Kid]

Ali more impressive against Chuvalo 1st or 2d time?

1st fight Ali just Boxed his way to a comfortable decision but he still had to Box well against Chuvalo because of how dangerous he was, Chuvalo won 3 rounds on cards officially!! and he had sporadic success landing to the body on rare occasions when Ali was trapped on the ropes but all in all id say it was a good performance by Ali against a tough opponent.

2nd fight was a much closer fight, albeit Muhammad Ali still won it clearly but not as decisive as the first. Chuvalo tested Ali more in the rematch.

Both good performances by Ali but he was hit more in the second fight but he was also tested more, so what do you reckon ?

[sonnyboyx2]

Ali more impressive against Chuvalo 1st or 2d time?

1st fight Ali just Boxed his way to a comfortable decision but he still had to Box well against Chuvalo because of how dangerous he was, Chuvalo won 3 rounds on cards officially!! and he had sporadic success landing to the body on rare occasions when Ali was trapped on the ropes but all in all id say it was a good performance by Ali against a tough opponent.

2nd fight was a much closer fight, albeit Muhammad Ali still won it clearly but not as decisive as the first. Chuvalo tested Ali more in the rematch.

Both good performances by Ali but he was hit more in the second fight but he was also tested more, so what do you reckon ?

he was better in their 1st fight

[1SILVA]

Ali more impressive against Chuvalo 1st or 2d time?

1st fight Ali just Boxed his way to a comfortable decision but he still had to Box well against Chuvalo because of how dangerous he was, Chuvalo won 3 rounds on cards officially!! and he had sporadic success landing to the body on rare occasions when Ali was trapped on the ropes but all in all id say it was a good performance by Ali against a tough opponent.

2nd fight was a much closer fight, albeit Muhammad Ali still won it clearly but not as decisive as the first. Chuvalo tested Ali more in the rematch.

Both good performances by Ali but he was hit more in the second fight but he was also tested more, so what do you reckon ?

Ali was much more impressive the first time because he was the most hated man in America at the time and the powers to be wanted him to lose the title. He fought with all this pressure on him and yet no one came close to taking away his title, except of course the government.

[boxingbuff]

Ali was much more impressive in the 1st fight.The 2nd fight was close.

These 2 fights show how much better Ali was before his 3 1/2 year lay-off.

[TheGreatA]

Ali came out with more damage in the first fight though. Chuvalo could have probably gone 50 rounds in that fight, he just never stopped plodding forward.

[boxingbuff]

Ali came out with more damage in the first fight though. Chuvalo could have probably gone 50 rounds in that fight, he just never stopped plodding forward.

Yeah,Ali did pee blood for days after the 1st fight.

But he also won 13 rounds of the fight.

At times Ali "allowed" George to hit him in the kidney's,while telling him to hit harder.

[TheGreatA]

Yeah,Ali did pee blood for days after the 1st fight.

But he also won 13 rounds of the fight.

At times Ali "allowed" George to hit him in the kidney's,while telling him to hit harder.

Then again no one ever had any difficulty outpointing Chuvalo. Ali won just about every round on the scorecards in their rematch as well but he never had an easy time with Chuvalo.

Chuvalo would have probably been the greatest in the late 1800's/early 1900's era...

[Dynamite Kid]

Then again no one ever had any difficulty outpointing Chuvalo. Ali won just about every round on the scorecards in their rematch as well but he never had an easy time with Chuvalo.

Chuvalo would have probably been the greatest in the late 1800's/early 1900's era...

I like the look of Bonavena and Chuvalo, both tough guys who were physically very strong, both can take a shot, both gave Ali and Frazier tough fights but this is where old fighters get built up a bit more than they should be imo, im not implying you are guilty of that, but whilst Chuvalo and Bonavena were tough cats at the end of the day were they any different to someone like say................Ray Mercer ?

I dont think they were, but to hear the high regard people hold them in you would think they were.

If you put someone like Ray Mercer in their with Ali or Joe he is going to push them just as hard imo.

[princemanspoper]

bonavena was a more complete fighter than mercer was.Mercer didn't learn anything until larry holmes schooled him and by then he was past his prime.bonavena was an underrated counter puncher with power in both hands and a respected body puncher with a very good chin.Oscar bonavena got robbed against frazier the first time around,he bullied frazier on the inside and countered him from the outside also knocking him down twice

[TheGreatA]

I like the look of Bonavena and Chuvalo, both tough guys who were physically very strong, both can take a shot, both gave Ali and Frazier tough fights but this is where old fighters get built up a bit more than they should be imo, im not implying you are guilty of that, but whilst Chuvalo and Bonavena were tough cats at the end of the day were they any different to someone like say................Ray Mercer ?

I dont think they were, but to hear the high regard people hold them in you would think they were.

If you put someone like Ray Mercer in their with Ali or Joe he is going to push them just as hard imo.

Mercer was a tough, tough guy but I can't see Bonavena or Chuvalo ever being discouraged to the extent that he was in some of his fights. He was basically begging Ferguson to lay down and had no answers for Larry Holmes. He was lucky to draw with journeyman Marion Wilson.

Then somehow he managed to pull out two of his career best performances against Holyfield and Lewis... Just a very inconsistent fighter, Mercer was. Still, I'm not sure if Chuvalo or Bonavena are generally rated any better than Mercer is.

Chuvalo was simply inhumanly tough and had a great body attack.
Mercer had a very good jab which he troubled Lewis and Holyfield with.
Bonavena had very good counter punching/inside fighting skills.