Comments Thread For: Kambosos: Every Time I Tried To Exchange, Haney Held; He Did Hold A Lot

[Cypocryphy]

Well put. Wild and sloppy Lopez didn’t get Kambosos’s ready for a disciplined and sharp Haney. Kambosos’s didn’t have the idea or maybe the coaching to know he had to do something different vs Haney. Sometimes you have to understand why maybe you are the underdog. Doesn’t mean you don’t have heart, skill or toughness. Sometimes it’s just a bad style matchup. Kambosos can complain all he wants be he never made it a brawl or took the fight to Haney. He didn’t jab, or push forward. He tried to time his shots and he missed spectacularly more times than landing big.
Haney gets too much hate. Winning is everything in boxing. He’s still young. He may never be a huge star, but he will be a tough nut to crack. He’s still way more likeable than Shakur Stevenson.

Yeah. I agree with everything you said here.

[brettWall]

It's impossible to have exchange with a style like that. It's not only the holding, which is shown above. Most times Kambosos was searching for the head and couldn't find it. It's somewhere below the belt.

[Cmdcj]

he led his arm and still missed

[Blond Beast]

It's impossible to have exchange with a style like that. It's not only the holding, which is shown above. Most times Kambosos was searching for the head and couldn't find it. It's somewhere below the belt.

The head was there when Kambosas threw most of his punches, it just was gone by the time his punches got there. You have a right to duck your opponents shots. Kambosas fell into the ropes a couple times with big misses. Good fighters can get a fighter to duck into a punch, and it can be devastating. Like Canelo did vs BJS. Kambosas never used his jab to set anything up. He never pressed early into going to the body. A guy can duck but that leaves a whole bunch of body out there also.
I like Kambosas, he’s good for boxing. Took the tough fight right away. He just fought like he thought he could just time and counter punch Haney. Like he was sure he’d get him. It was a bad strategy on paper and even worse in effect.
Nobody wants to see him rematch Haney, he got shut out. Haney vs Loma would be the most intriguing matchup. Maybe Kambosos would do better vs Loma also. I’d like him to be able to still get some big fights.
Haney has great boxing skills. He’s not exciting winning, but if he’s close to losing it might be. Whoever does take him out will get a ton of credit. There’s guys like this in boxing.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Oh boy. That's a good question. That is a very good question ... questions.

Garcia ... I can't answer that question just yet. I would have to go and watch film on Ryan to really see how he'd deal with certain aspects of Haney's game. I'll rewatch the Campbell fight maybe. Both Campbell and Haney are of similar size with a good jab, although Campbell is southpaw. I think that Haney would probably win unless Garcia could pressure Haney and hurt him. He's capable of doing so but I favor Haney in that matchup because Ryan is just so flatfooted at times. Anyway, if I rewatch the Campbell fight because that should answer some questions.

Shakur vs Haney would be interesting. Many believe no one beats Shakur now except maybe Loma, and that's only if Loma fights him soon. Shakur beats Haney. I have very little doubt about that. In fact, here is some sparring footage that supports that belief. They are very similar but Shakur's defense is just so much better. Shakur doesn't have to duck, shoulder and hug to avoid getting hit, for one. And he seems to have better judgment of a situations and control of distance. Better reflexes.

Now Tank is interesting. He's got the size disadvantage that Loma has with Haney, and that's a big disadvantage unless you have a ref that will keep Haney off of you. Tank has gained a lot of experience and is very good now, but he need to come forward to do his best work, and that just lets Haney pick him off with a jab and take a half step back, constantly. Or clinch if Tank gets too close, which he will, because he doesn't want to get hit by Tank. He'll clinch the hell out of Tank, and if we get a ref like the one we had for Kambosos, then Tank is doomed.

With Loma, there's a lot of questions. The Loma we saw beat Commey I think could stop Haney. But I don't know if he's the same, and I don't know how the ref will handle Haney clinching Loma. If we get a ref like last time, like with Kambosos, then Loma is going to be struggling a lot because he has to close the distance. However, both Tank and Loma are southpaws, and I've seen some things that Haney does that can really be exploited. He makes mistakes, such as ducking to his right. The kind of mistakes that if Tank sees and capitalizes on, will end Haney's night. Loma will just clown Haney But both of them have to be able to work on the inside and not be separate immediately when a clinch occurs. That would spell doom for the both of them. Haney is just a lot bigger than the both of them, so you have to have a ref that will enforce the rules as much as possible.

Anyway, that's kind of how I see it going right now. To have a really good idea, I'd have to really study a lot of film and break it down. I don't know if this answers your questions but it's the best I can say right now.

The bold: I don't want the fans to be subjected to that, ever. Haney-Loma has a dud written all over it too.

[BoxingIsGreat]

It's impossible to have exchange with a style like that. It's not only the holding, which is shown above. Most times Kambosos was searching for the head and couldn't find it. It's somewhere below the belt.

With Haney, you need be a vicious body puncher with power, and awareness of the ref.

[Cypocryphy]

The bold: I don't want the fans to be subjected to that, ever. Haney-Loma has a dud all over it too.

I agree with the first part but not the second. Loma will make it interesting because of the way in which Haney needs to be defeated. I've been doing a lot of thinking about this and watching film. Haney is half Nakatani, half Rigondeaux, with one slight difference: Nakatani is way more durable than Haney. When Haney get's wobbled, he's on ***** street for the good part of the round. His powers of recovery are terrible. When Nakatani gets wobbled, he's like good as new within seconds. We all know what Loma did to Nakatani. It won't be that easy, but he will probably stop Haney in rounds 10 to 12. I really believe this now. Haney makes too many mistakes, and these are mistakes he makes in every single fight. That means they cannot be fixed from now until he fights Loma. And he has no reason to believe he needs to fix them because he hasn't lost yet.

There are ways to turn Haney's strengths into his weaknesses, and Loma has the skill and talent to do that. BUT! We need to either have that fight next or when Haney fights Kambosos, Loma comes back for a tune-up fight before he fights Haney. I don't think he needs one if he fights Haney next. I think Andre Rozier was right with his analysis about Loma coming back possibly 150 percent better with the "rest." Not that he's resting but that he's body has healed since the last training camp and fight.

I really think Loma can pull it off. I'm 90 percent confident. Then we get Tank and Loma, which will be the best fight that can be made at 135.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I agree with the first part but not the second. Loma will make it interesting because of the way in which Haney needs to be defeated. I've been doing a lot of thinking about this and watching film. Haney is half Nakatani, half Rigondeaux, with one slight difference: Nakatani is way more durable than Haney. When Haney get's wobbled, he's on ***** street for the good part of the round. His powers of recovery are terrible. When Nakatani gets wobbled, he's like good as new within seconds. We all know what Loma did to Nakatani. It won't be that easy, but he will probably stop Haney in rounds 10 to 12. I really believe this now. Haney makes too many mistakes, and these are mistakes he makes in every single fight. That means they cannot be fixed from now until he fights Loma. And he has no reason to believe he needs to fix them because he hasn't lost yet.

There are ways to turn Haney's strengths into his weaknesses, and Loma has the skill and talent to do that. BUT! We need to either have that fight next or when Haney fights Kambosos, Loma comes back for a tune-up fight before he fights Haney. I don't think he needs one if he fights Haney next. I think Andre Rozier was right with his analysis about Loma coming back possibly 150 percent better with the "rest." Not that he's resting but that he's body has healed since the last training camp and fight.

I really think Loma can pull it off. I'm 90 percent confident. Then we get Tank and Loma, which will be the best fight that can be made at 135.

I like a lot of the points you are making in this post. With the bold, tho, I disagree with Rozier. I already told you I like him.

Loma isn't even in 50% boxing shape, even if he works out daily. I know the toll a war takes on someone even if you are not directly in the battle field. The doom of your country and your little fragile structure. Civilians being maimed and killed. That guy will never be close to 100%, even in a year.

I don't want Loma led into the slaughter house. He can maybe survive Haney, or Haney UDs him. I'll require Loma to take tuneups if he comes back and wants to fight Davis.

[Cypocryphy]

I like a lot of the points you are making in this post. With the bold, tho, I disagree with Rozier. I already told you I like him.

Loma isn't even in 50% boxing shape, even if he works out daily. I know the toll a war takes on someone even if you are not directly in the battle field. The doom of your country and your little fragile structure. Civilians being maimed and killed. That guy will never be close to 100%, even in a year.

I don't want Loma led into the slaughter house. He can maybe survive Haney, or Haney UDs him. I'll require Loma to take tuneups if he comes back and wants to fight Davis.

Yeah. I'm going to suspend judgment on the situation until I hear about Loma and what's been going on. For all I know he's on guard duty and on his down time has been sparring with the Olympic team, a bunch of fast jabbing kids. Or like you said, he could be in the heat of it. If he does come back and school Haney, he'll be ready for Tank. I guess we'll have to see what happens this next week or this month.