Possible Dive? Danny Lopez vs Juan Malvarez

[Monzon99]

Malvarez was veteran journeyman coming off a draw a month earlier against a 7-6 bum. Then he gets the big money payday on the Ali vs Spinks undercard vs Lopez. Hurts Lopez in the first round, and looks in control in the second when all the sudden Lopez lands a right and Malvarez flops around the canvas like a fish, shaking his head like a pro wrestler. Then he stays down like he was shot dead.

Looks like a blatant dive for a good payday. Galindez was also on the undercard so it looks like a double dip deal. Hey, Tito Lecura, We need a dive for Lopez, can you give us one?

Anybody think this was a legit 2nd round KO? Or was it a dive? Maybe Lopez was a rigged fighter for the LA Mexican demographic?

[Mario040481]

I don't think so. Not gonna s h i t on your opinion any. Danny Lopez was a legit big puncher. Malvarez was hit with 2 huge, and completely clean, right hands, and a left hook which was also clean. Danny Lopez's whole title reign, and likely the vast majority of his career, was littered with fights where his body literally littered the canvas in the first round, getting about as dominated as you will ever see a champion get, only to, for the most part, end the argument himself within the next 3 rds. Frame by frame in VLC Player, the right hands are massive, and i think its the initial single one at 3:53 which I believe is the one that really did the most damage. Maybe Malvarez decided against getting up, but I doubt it to have been a legitimately fixed fight, and as you mentioned, this is Ali/Spinks 2, you would be fixing a fight absolutely, and quite literally, in front of the world. Why the LA demographic btw? Fight is in New Orleans, and again, it's an undercard bout for an Ali fight? This card's making money even if filled with such as Mickey Mouse vs Bugs Bunny filling the whole undercard, catering wouldn't truly be necessary, maybe?
From what I believe to have been the CCTV/PPV Broadcast, commentated on by Ferdie Pacheco and joe shmoe and the whole sequence is shown with a completely different angle, although I think the version you link too is the more revealing angle:

[QueensburyRules]

Malvarez was veteran journeyman coming off a draw a month earlier against a 7-6 bum. Then he gets the big money payday on the Ali vs Spinks undercard vs Lopez. Hurts Lopez in the first round, and looks in control in the second when all the sudden Lopez lands a right and Malvarez flops around the canvas like a fish, shaking his head like a pro wrestler. Then he stays down like he was shot dead.

Looks like a blatant dive for a good payday. Galindez was also on the undercard so it looks like a double dip deal. Hey, Tito Lecura, We need a dive for Lopez, can you give us one?

Anybody think this was a legit 2nd round KO? Or was it a dive? Maybe Lopez was a rigged fighter for the LA Mexican demographic?

- -What grade U in?

Typical Little Red fight in the day. Step away from the psychedelics!

[Monzon99]

Malvarez was at the point of being a journeyman and in need of a good payday for a world title fight dive against a semi star. What could be make in a non title fight? $5000 tops? Maybe he got five figures for this. He was literally flopping around like a fish and shaking his head like a pro wrestler then he suddenly rolls over and lays on his back like sleeping. Very very weird sequence. Lopez had a rep as an exciting fighter and he was a draw. Who knows, maybe the whole schtick about taking a beating and resiliently bouncing back was scripted. This knockdown is very very very su****ious looking. It's the only time I ever saw a KO victim shaking his head like that. How hurt could he be to have the sense to shake his head?

[QueensburyRules]

Malvarez was at the point of being a journeyman and in need of a good payday for a world title fight dive against a semi star. What could be make in a non title fight? $5000 tops? Maybe he got five figures for this. He was literally flopping around like a fish and shaking his head like a pro wrestler then he suddenly rolls over and lays on his back like sleeping. Very very weird sequence. Lopez had a rep as an exciting fighter and he was a draw. Who knows, maybe the whole schtick about taking a beating and resiliently bouncing back was scripted. This knockdown is very very very su****ious looking. It's the only time I ever saw a KO victim shaking his head like that. How hurt could he be to have the sense to shake his head?

- -Unconscious has no choice in body reactions.

Never said what grade U in.

[Mario040481]

If this is a fixed fight, I would think someone would have been extremely upset with the guy, considering how in the 1st rd he seems to be very obviously trying to win that fight, and he got pretty close to doing so as well. If the fight were fixed, i would think that there'd be a strong likelihood of someone involved with Malvarez putting a fairly good amount of money on it. If they did, Malvarez nearly ruins everything in the first rd. I don't know tons about betting on fights so maybe I am missing something though, which could be very possible

[Monzon99]

If this is a fixed fight, I would think someone would have been extremely upset with the guy, considering how in the 1st rd he seems to be very obviously trying to win that fight, and he got pretty close to doing so as well. If the fight were fixed, i would think that there'd be a strong likelihood of someone involved with Malvarez putting a fairly good amount of money on it. If they did, Malvarez nearly ruins everything in the first rd. I don't know tons about betting on fights so maybe I am missing something though, which could be very possible

Perhaps Lopez fell on purpose on the knockdowns. He got up clear headed didn't he.

The suspect part of this was Malvarez overacting on the dive.

[Mario040481]

Perhaps Lopez fell on purpose on the knockdowns. He got up clear headed didn't he.

The suspect part of this was Malvarez overacting on the dive.

I understand what you are saying, and I understand why it is being said, and i will agree Malvarez reactions are not what is generally seen. I disagree with calling it a fixed fight, although that is, like most anything else, a possibility. First though, I think I have read you to he used the terms "fixed fight" and "taking a dive" which can mean the same things, but nit always.
Fixed fight: An agreement between multiple parties has been made to have a fight end in a as close to a specifically wanted way as is possible. Sometimes both fighters wouldn't even have to actually be in the know, but I imagine the desired result becomes much easier to attain when at least one of the fighters is in the know.

Dive: One fighter is not legitimately attempting to win the fight, for reasons that could include the fight being fixed and he is aware of how he is suppose to lose, or, he could decide at some point in the fight to just give up and no longer continue to legitimately attempt to win a fight. Basically just giving up.
I think dives occuring in fights of note* has happened more than legitimately fixed fights have happened.
Last, this fight is 40+yrs on now. Human beings, as a species, one of the things we all have in common, regardless of where we come from, regardless of cultural opinions or beliefs, human beings are nearly 100% incapable of keeping any sort of secrets for a significant amount of time. People who have literally gotten away with murder, who were never even considered a suspect, even these people cannot keep it to themselves and it routinely is what will finally break a cold case. Point being, 40+ yrs since this fight happened, if fixed, someone credible would have said something about it by now.

*Meaning not 4 rd fights at the local VFW

[QueensburyRules]

Perhaps Lopez fell on purpose on the knockdowns. He got up clear headed didn't he.

The suspect part of this was Malvarez overacting on the dive.

- -Suspect part is U as a cheap chump coopting an all time champ in Carlos Monzon.

U graduating preschool in the spring?

[Mario040481]

hey, this guy's shaking his head?